The Principle of Eternal Lives

34603_000_001_01-PremortalLifeIn the LDS Church this phrase is seldom used, but many suppose it is related to God’s Plan of Salvation. We’ve all seen the chart with the circles and rectangles explaining God’s plan for us to get to the Celestial Kingdom. Where did this chart come from? Who created it? Did Joseph Smith draw out this diagram? If anyone knows the origin of this, please share. Much of this diagram is based on men’s interpretations of Joseph’s revelations; but there are many gaps in the interpretation.

To understand the mysteries of godliness is to understand the three questions.

  1. What is my relationship with God?
  2. Who was I before I was born?
  3. What is God’s plan for my eternal progression?

In my journey to understand these mysteries I have trusted in the Lord to reveal these things in more detail.

For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost, as well in these times as in times of old, and as well in times of old as in times to come; wherefore, the course of the Lord is one eternal round. (1 Nephi 10:19)

About a year ago I began to pray about these questions more earnestly. Since having my visits with the Lord have been shown much on this subject. I have learned the importance of the Law of Asking, as an eternal principle, which as applied opens to us the knowledge of God.

If thou shalt ask, thou shalt receive revelation upon revelation, knowledge upon knowledge, that thou mayest know the mysteries and peaceable things—that which bringeth joy, that which bringeth life eternal. (D&C 42:61)

The following chart is a more accurate view of the Complete Plan of Salvation, or as we may call it, “The Principle of Eternal Lives.” I have been given permission to reveal this and have purposefully been vague in some places. Why be vague? Some mysteries are withheld because it may be harmful to some to receive a fullness if they are not prepared. For this reason, I am instructed to withhold a detailed explanation of the nature of the estates beyond the Third Estate. These you will need to ask the Lord directly and He will answer you when the time is appropriate. This diagram will help you to formulate the questions to ask the Lord.

Plan of Salvation-2

For a better understanding of this diagram, “The Complete Plan of Salvation,” refer to the link: Translation of the Book of Moses

. . . open your ears that ye may hear, and your hearts that ye may understand, and your minds that the mysteries of God may be unfolded to your view. (Mosiah 2:9)

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40 Responses to The Principle of Eternal Lives

  1. Donald says:

    Thank you. Interesting “overlap” of 3-6 beings. 🙂


  2. Salvation is when we are born again in Christ, Eternal Life is to be as the God’s knowing all things. Jacob’s Ladder has seven rungs that lead to the highest point of Exaltation. As Joseph once said, we need to climb the ladder one step at a time until we reach the top. If I was going to create a basic “plan of salvation” it would focus on the Doctrine of Christ, which is repentance, baptism, and the Gift of the Holy Ghost. (3 NE 11:31-41) This is what brings us into our Third Estate or third step of progression.

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  4. Grayson Lange says:

    So with this plan, in what estate does our heavenly father reside in? What estate does the savior reside in? What estate would a nonmember atheist reside in compared to an active LDS member or someone who has experienced their baptism by fire? thanks!


  5. This is one of those topics I’ve said as much as I can. Those are good questions to ask the Lord. I think I’ve dropped some good hints though.

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  6. I will say that receiving the baptism of fire and Gift of the Holy Ghost is a quickening that starts the third estate.

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  7. Grayson says:

    Hi! Just another quick question, in your book you talk about how there are spirits that followed satan in the pre existance without bodies however if everyone was innocent in the first estate how did these spirits choose to follow satan and become sons of perdition? Did they have a body at one point? Thanks!


  8. There were no new spirits of light that followed Satan. Only those who were third estate or higher in their progression. These coexist at times with first estate beings. In order to become perdition they must condescend to earth and deny the Holy Ghost and shed innocent blood. This is a simplistic answer to your question.

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  9. Anonymous says:

    Can you please help me understand this about the Estates please. Let’s say a person is a fourth estate being in this life. Does that mean that in a previous estate they had already achieved their second comforter experience and become a prophet, and therefore are a fourth estate being in this life? Or does it mean that they haven’t achieved that yet in any estate, but God has forseen that they will achieve it in this estate? And also, can a being only progress one estate per mortal experience? Or could you go from 2nd–4th or 4th–5th in one life?


  10. A person can go from 2nd to 3rd estate in mortality when they are quickened in the Spirit and receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost, but forth estate does not come again until a new world is formed and they choose to sacrifice their glory to condescend and assist in saving souls.

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  11. Ruth says:

    Can you say what an exalted being of light is?

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  12. All spirit is light, or you might say intelligent energy. Every time we are quickened in the Spirit, or exalted, our light increases. There are beings whose light dwarfs that of our own sun. When we receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost we are quickened in the Spirit and exalted.


  13. Anonymous says:

    First of all, thank you so much for this blog. It is beautiful to my soul. I am confused about what you are considering “exalted”. I can’t tell if you are saying a being earns exaltation upon receiving their baptism of fire, or if it is (as it looks in this diagram) not until reaching the fifth estate. Would you please clarify? And also are resurrection and exaltation synonymous, or is “exaltation” reached only after condescension after resurrection?


  14. “Exalted” is when one receives the Gift of the Holy Ghost, which is a kind of quickening, either to ascend from second to third estate for some, or an awakening for those of the higher estates. It is a kind of resurrection, yes.


  15. OB says:

    What sources helped you to first start asking questions about the Doctrine of Eternal Lives? Were there any books or quotes that led you to it or was it purely as a result of revelatory questions? I’ve seen the eight estates model before, though they seem to differ slightly from one to the next, so I was wondering what first helped you to start asking questions about it.


  16. I was exposed to the idea that there may be more than the plan of salvation represents. I heard a few people talk about eternal lives and was skeptical. After I asked the Lord during my experiences it blew the door wide open. I’m not aware of anyone sharing what I have seen, but there may be others.


  17. Anonymous says:

    I realize we are all different, but can you tell us the approximate amount of 2nd estate existences we experience before rising to the baptism of fire?


  18. For some its their first time, for others it is many. There are so many people at different levels of covenant.


  19. Mama g says:

    Just finished reading your Moses translation.
    Why would a 4th estate being want to follow Satan?


  20. To seek their own gratification and dominion. These are the sons of perdition.


  21. Grandma G says:

    Is it true that a spirit can achieve 4,5,6, estate status before ever coming to earth to receive a mortal body? I am assuming to condescend means to put your glory aside and come to earth t get a body? Right?


  22. JB says:

    You mentioned that receiving the H.G. is like an awakening for one who is a covenant person. Reminded me of this quote by J.S.Jr

    Joseph Smith taught that when “the Holy Ghost falls upon one of the literal seed of Abraham, it is calm and serene; … while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham (naturally) must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 149­150). (Brigham Young University, 30 March 1980)

    Could you share more on this quote –ones awakening / new creation with what you know?


  23. Its difficult to know for sure what Joseph truly said and meant from the quote, but from what I know the HG is a bestowal of light and glory upon the recipient. Most of these individuals have made a covenant before this life either to receive by blood, or to receive by adoption. Both experiences are quite extraordinary. Not unlike being born… again.


  24. ldsseeker says:

    Thank you very much all you’ve shared.

    You include 2-6 Estate beings in your circle titled Telestial Earth. I’m guessing based on what I’ve seen so far, that 4th- 6th Estate beings perform some sort of condescension in order to serve and help save others in this mortality.

    Are there cases wherein this condescension might include leaving behind physical bodies they have previously earned? Thank you.


  25. thompsonruth says:

    Looks like the Plan of Salvation model, as we currently know, it didn’t come from anything Joseph Smith wrote. The Plan of Salvation model, as taught in church, comes from the correlation department:

    “According to doctrine of the Latter Day Saint movement, the plan of salvation (also known as the plan of happiness) is a plan that God created to save, redeem, and exalt humankind. The elements of this plan are drawn from various sources, including the Bible,[1] Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and numerous statements made by the leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). The first appearance of the graphical representation of the plan of salvation is in the 1952 missionary manual entitled A Systematic Program for Teaching the Gospel.[2]” This came from Wikipedia:

    [81] For the purpose of illustration, a brief examination of the plan of salvation discussion reveals representative similarities and differences. Both plans begin with a review discussion of the previous lesson and the related investigator commitments, followed by an introduction to the doctrine of premortal life, beginning with Moses 3:5. In comparing the actual dialogues, the Systematic Program narrative appears less precise because the Uniform System dialogue prompts the missionary to summarize in succinct sentences and pose leading questions. As the lesson continues, the Systematic Program introduces the role of Lucifer in mortal probation, while the Uniform System makes no mention of Lucifer but does teach that mortality is a test. Both lessons then explain the doctrine of the spirit world and the doctrine of vicarious temple ordinances. The final section of each lesson focuses on the three degrees of glory, with the Uniform System providing over two pages of dialogue, compared to a single page in the other plan. In summary, the Uniform System builds on the concept that humans come from the presence of their Father in Heaven and that through obedience and resurrection, they can return to live with him.


  26. Vince C says:

    What happens to those after judgement who are “worthy” of a Telestial glory? They go to outer darkness for some time to be punished and then at some point put back into a cycle of creation? For example, we know the rich man from the New Testament is suffering (rich man and Lazarus). Does he suffer for some time to then be birthed once again on a future earth?


  27. I will say that those who are of the 2nd resurrection will transmigrate to another telestial world where they will stay. The rich man and Lazarus are not telestial, and I have no comment regarding the last part.


  28. does someone who is 4,5,6,7,8 estate, not following the gospel here on earth but not committed the unpardonable sin, will still get is estate after this life?

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  29. The only estate one can rise to in this life is the third estate. The other higher estates are chosen in the council in Heaven. For those of a higher estate, here it is an awakening to their calling. This is what is called having one’s calling and election made sure.

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  30. what can you say about eternal marriage in a deeper level.


  31. It becomes final at the fourth estate. Earthly ordinances simply point to the reality ordinance in the Heavenly Realm.

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  32. thompsonruth says:

    You said: The only estate one can rise to in this life is the third estate. The other higher estates are chosen in the council in Heaven. For those of a higher estate, here it is an awakening to their calling. This is what is called having one’s calling and election made sure.

    I know of an elderly couple who are incredible people. They are fully dedicated to God and spend each day in His service. They give their money and time freely to those in need and pray daily to be led to those who need them. To give a profound example – they even had a business (partner whom was their friend) embezzle millions from their company and the elderly man visited his friend in prison for years until their friend was released from prison. He did this because he dearly loved this man. I believe they are fourth estate beings. However, when I talk to them of seeing Christ in this life, they value the concept but discount that notion as necessary. They often say to me, “To love another person is to see the face of God” (quoting Les Miserables). They are not seeking to have their Calling and Election made sure (I’m not even sure they know much about the concept). I feel they have ‘awoken’ to their calling in this life – which is serving others freely, but they haven’t awoken to higher truth and perhaps are exact examples of ‘humble followers of Christ…that do err’ like Nephi said. (“…they have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.” (2 Nephi 28: 14)).

    So my question is – what hope do they have? Will they lose something because they err being taught and following the precepts of men? Probably too hard to answer. But your thoughts have value. Thanks.


  33. The greatest gift that can be given in this life is charity, which is to be born again in the Spirit. This is to become a third estate, a son or daughter of God. This is to be called of God. Fourth Estate are those whom are “chosen” to come to this life with a particular mission to build the Lord’s kingdom. “Many are called, but few are chosen.” When such a person awakens they receive what is called a “calling and election.” When the Lord opens their eyes to a fullness of their calling it is a calling and election made sure.

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  34. followerofchrist says:

    Do we sign up for specific things to go through? IE Different addictions, Divorce, loss of children, loss of parents, being overweight, struggling with depression etc. so we can gain knowledge, compassion etc for others? Do we come down multiple times with different struggles for our growth?


  35. Joseph Smith compared himself to a rough stone rolling, becoming smooth through the process. Not all afflictions are predetermined. Much is simply the experience of life, which purpose is depending upon the mission, to help lift others or bring us to a point where we will choose our path in the eternities. The subject of multiple mortalities is forbidden for me to delve into at this time. It is among the mysteries of godliness contained in the Everlasting Covenant.

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  36. John Rogers says:

    After a few months away, I revisited this concept of eternal lives and also read your study helps for all the chapters of Moses. It has completely opened up to me, and added additional depth to the temple ceremony as well. Definitely truth here. Thank you for sharing this and enduring criticism. I was unfortunately one of those who was critical at first, but now understand better. Please forgive me and accept my thanks for your bravery and insights.

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  37. Justin Wentzell says:

    I was reading Luke 9 yesterday and the following passage stood out to me:

    18 ¶ And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?

    19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.

    The last mention of “one of the old prophets risen again” and similar phrases are repeated a few times in the gospels. Based on some hints in what you’ve written in your books, and because it seems meridian time Jews seemed to believe in a concept of previous prophets “rising again” to serve on the earth, would a fourth estate being serve more than one time in mortality on this earth?

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  38. I am not permitted to delve into that, but I think you will find the answer through revelation.


  39. Justin Wentzell says:

    I expected you’d say that! But I think it’s sufficient for my answer, which has indeed been coming by revelation. Thanks so much for helping me get used to the process.


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