Resurrection and Condescension

This is a simplistic explanation of the resurrection, and I know it will collide with some of your personal paradigms, but it may open up some new insights for you to take to the Lord in prayer.

The typical narrative is to assume when we are resurrected that the particles that made up our former body will unite again and a perfect body is created, but changed so that it can never be corrupted again. (Alma 40:21-24)

This is true, but God looks at all things spiritual. True death is to be removed from the presence of God, therefore, when one receives their baptism of fire and receives the Gift of the Holy Ghost, there is a quickening where the spirit body is changed. It can never die. This does not delegitimize a true resurrection, for having a body of flesh and bones surely exists within the spheres of everlasting burnings. But it is light and energy, not the kind of matter that makes us subject to the flesh.

A resurrection is the born again experience. You can be born again in the spirit, which is a quickening from one glory to another. Or, you can be born again in the flesh, which is either a condescension (leaving behind glory to become a servant), or a lateral renewal, which is literally being born again in the second estate.

Another resurrection is to transform a glorified body to take on flesh in a lower sphere. By this, one can withhold their glory. This can be done using a new body as Christ did while leaving the marks, or as a translated body leaving the marks of aging. Manipulation of the bodily vessel from one glory to the next is a common practice of the Lord.

It requires higher priesthood to perform such a resurrection. (Patriarchal) In the next life it will be evident that the act of resurrection is one of the most common events in the realm of the Spirit.

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13 Responses to Resurrection and Condescension

  1. thompsonruth says:

    Could the baptism of fire happen multiple times for some people? Like awakening/resurrecting from one level to the next – whereas some may awaken in one moment and ressurect to a high level instantly? (If that makes sense) The Baptism of Fire is on my mind daily. Before this post I had the thought come to me that I know, in part, what Lazarus may have felt like being raised from the dead. I feel like a new person to what I was 5 years ago. And yet, I feel there is further awakening, ressurecting awaiting me.

    Is there more you can teach or give examples of being born again in the flesh/condescension (leaving behind glory to become a servant), or the lateral renewal (literally being born again in the second estate)?

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  2. Baptism of Fire must occur each time you are in the Lord’s presence. It will hopefully happen many times in your life. To be in the Third Heaven is to be in everlasting burnings which is a continuous baptism of fire, or glory. It is not really fire, but pure white light, which purifies and makes clean. The closest thing we see with the physical eyes is the light of the sun, which is also white plasma energy.

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  3. The simplest example of condescension is Jesus, the great Jehovah, being born in Bethlehem to Mary. Other condescensions include Just Men and Women Made Perfect, Adam, the Great Jehovah, and there are others. I cannot expound much in this area without explaining more than I probably should, but this will give some ideas to take to the Lord. I’m not sure I have permission to discuss lateral renewal either. Obviously, this incorporates a multiple mortality model and blows open the standard Plan of Salvation model the Church uses. It is not reincarnation, in the way the far eastern religions define it. These are among the mysteries of godliness, and I can share only a certain amount.

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  4. Andreas says:

    Did the Great Jehovah condescend and become Adam?

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  5. I am not supposed to go into detail regarding 5-8 estate other than what I have shared.

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  6. JJ says:

    Are those two different beings?
    Jesus the great Jehovah and the Great Jehovah….is the Great Jehovah the grandfather of Jehovah ( Jesus Christ) ?

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  7. I am not supposed to say more on that than I already have.


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  9. daniel Dylan says:

    (“or as a translated body leaving the marks of aging. ”) So in a translated body it can show the marks of aging but does the body still suffer from the physical effects of aging? Or does it have a healing that the body can function with more youthfulness in serving the Lord? [A translated body does not suffer from the effects of aging. In fact, that is the part of what is occurring in that it does not age or suffer. It is for all purposes a resurrected body that simply keeps its visage so that one can mingle more easily among the living. It is not subject to the same physics of a mortal body. PR]

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  10. daniel Dylan says:

    “( When the spirit body is resurrected it is immortal and incorruptible in that form. Our physical bodies are of the dust and shall not be eternal. Like a temporary tabernacle to help us to develop faith like no other way.”) Is it in a higher estate beyond the 4th estate that our physical bodies are resurrected and become part of our spiritual body? Or is a new physical body made of a higher order when that time comes in Our eternal progression? [Our physical bodies are always dust. It is the spirit body that is eternal and is resurrected to a higher glory, a body of flesh and bone, not a single hair unchecked. PR]

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  11. Vaughn Jorgensen says:

    What happened to Christ’s physical, dead body that was decaying in the tomb when He resurrected? Was His spirit body rejoined to that dust/flesh, and then the physical tabernacle was renewed or transformed? Sounds like there’s something different that happened to Christ and his fleshly tabernacle versus what we’ll experience in our next resurrection. Does it matter if our bodies are buried or cremated when we die, if spouses are buried next to each other, what clothes you are buried in (e.g. temple robes), or any of these other things people like to relate to resurrection? [Our decayed bodies do not reform from the dead flesh. Our physical bodies are the dust of a temporal realm; whereas, our resurrected bodies are of glorified light with flesh and bones. When Christ was resurrected, His dead body was changed and He was resurrected in a body which was perfected, but not subject to the physics of this world. The second to the last paragraph of the post is referring to this kind of resurrection. PR]

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  12. Star Scream says:

    Hi P.R

    I have read the post carefully and read all the questions and answers posted above, I just have a question regarding section 129, in light of all that has been written above:

    “1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—
    2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
    3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.
    4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
    5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.
    6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—
    7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.
    8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.”

    So Joseph makes a distinction between” Angels” and “Just men and women made perfect”. So here I would believe that “Angels” means translated beings with physical bodies that are higher in glory but can mingle among the living as you have explained. Now from what I understand from what you wrote, you say that our resurrected spirit bodies are also comprised of flesh and bone, but not with dust but with light and energy. Now my question is, why did Joseph Smith teach that the Just men and women made perfect are not resurrected and that when you reach for a handshake they can’t do it? My understanding is that the Just men and women made perfect are resurrected with spirit bodies of flesh and bones comprised of light and energy, so why can’t they do a handshake? [Unless they have a translated body, which allows it to mingle with those in the flesh, we cannot. To experience a touch, it would require us to ascend to where they are in spirit. There are many complexities to resurrection and Joseph did a good job in section 129 of touching upon some of it in relation to interacting with them in the flesh. PR]

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