Amulek Confronts Zeezrom – Alma 11:1-46

During these chapters when you read narration in the third person it is the words of Mormon condensing and adding context while abridging the plates.

1 Now it was in the law of Mosiah that every man who was a judge of the law, or those who were appointed to be judges, should receive wages according to the time which they labored to judge those who were brought before them to be judged. [paid by the hour]

2 Now if a man owed another, and he would not pay that which he did owe, he was complained of to the judge; and the judge executed authority, and sent forth officers that the man should be brought before him; and he judged the man according to the law and the evidences which were brought against him, and thus the man was compelled to pay that which he owed, or be stripped [removal of his possessions], or be cast out from among the people as a thief and a robber.

3 And the judge received for his wages according to his time—a senine of gold for a day, or a senum of silver, which is equal to a senine of gold; and this is according to the law which was given. [In today’s currency we float “treasury notes” that have little or no value. There have been times in America’s past where a portion or all was attached to gold or silver redemption, but it was so constricting to the US that the laws were changed in 1933 and became progressively less gold standard. The Nephite currency was very straight forward and consistent with ancient currency standards.]

4 Now these are the names of the different pieces of their gold, and of their silver, according to their value. And the names are given by the Nephites, for they did not reckon after the manner of the Jews who were at Jerusalem; neither did they measure after the manner of the Jews; but they altered their reckoning and their measure, according to the minds and the circumstances of the people, in every generation, until the reign of the judges, they having been established by king Mosiah. [Over five hundred years of currency evolution since the days of Nephi.]

5 Now the reckoning is thus—a senine of gold, a seon of gold, a shum of gold, and a limnah of gold. [from least to greatest in value]

6 A senum of silver, an amnor of silver, an ezrom of silver, and an onti of silver. [from least to greatest]

7 A senum of silver was equal to a senine of gold, and either for a measure of barley, and also for a measure of every kind of grain.

8 Now the amount of a seon of gold was twice the value of a senine.

9 And a shum of gold was twice the value of a seon.

10 And a limnah of gold was the value of them all.

11 And an amnor of silver was as great as two senums.

12 And an ezrom of silver was as great as four senums.

13 And an onti was as great as them all.

14 Now this is the value of the lesser numbers of their reckoning—

15 A shiblon is half of a senum; therefore, a shiblon for half a measure of barley.

16 And a shiblum is a half of a shiblon.

17 And a leah is the half of a shiblum.

18 Now this is their number, according to their reckoning.

19 Now an antion of gold is equal to three shiblons.

20 Now, it was for the sole purpose to get gain, because they received their wages according to their employ, therefore, they did stir up the people to riotings, and all manner of disturbances and wickedness, that they might have more employ, that they might get money according to the suits which were brought before them; therefore they did stir up the people against Alma and Amulek. [The Nephite lawyers were literally the wolves amongst the people, creating contention where possible within the contsraints of their laws.]

21 And this Zeezrom began to question Amulek, saying: Will ye answer me a few questions which I shall ask you? Now Zeezrom was a man who was expert in the devices of the devil, that he might destroy that which was good; therefore, he said unto Amulek: Will ye answer the questions which I shall put unto you? [A device of the devil is a strategy to deceive and change others to transgress the laws of God. Today such devices are rampant in our media and education as people are taught and compelled to rethink their beliefs of God and His commandments.]

22 And Amulek said unto him: Yea, if it be according to the Spirit of the Lord, which is in me; for I shall say nothing which is contrary to the Spirit of the Lord. And Zeezrom said unto him: Behold, here are six onties of silver, and all these will I give thee if thou wilt deny the existence of a Supreme Being. [An incredible sum of money, enough to tempt most people.]

23 Now Amulek said: O thou child of hell, why tempt ye me? Knowest thou that the righteous yieldeth to no such temptations?

24 Believest thou that there is no God? I say unto you, Nay, thou knowest that there is a God, but thou lovest that lucre more than him. [gift of discernment]

25 And now thou hast lied before God unto me. Thou saidst unto me—Behold these six onties, which are of great worth, I will give unto thee—when thou hadst it in thy heart to retain them from me; and it was only thy desire that I should deny the true and living God, that thou mightest have cause to destroy me. And now behold, for this great evil thou shalt have thy reward.

26 And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God?

27 And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God.

28 Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God?

29 And he answered, No.

It is unclear how much Amulek knew of the mysteries of God. To our purposes in this 2nd estate, there is only one God to whom we must know to be saved.

30 Now Zeezrom said unto him again: How knowest thou these things?

31 And he said: An angel hath made them known unto me. [Amulek had been not only alerted to Alma’s coming, but taught pure doctrine from an angel of the Lord.]

32 And Zeezrom said again: Who is he that shall come? Is it the Son of God?

33 And he said unto him, Yea.

34 And Zeezrom said again: Shall he save his people in their sins? And Amulek answered and said unto him: I say unto you he shall not, for it is impossible for him to deny his word. [This would be like asking: “Shall the Son of God save people without removing their sin?”]

35 Now Zeezrom said unto the people: See that ye remember these things; for he said there is but one God; yet he saith that the Son of God shall come, but he shall not save his people—as though he had authority to command God. [A clear twisting of Amulek’s words.]

36 Now Amulek saith again unto him: Behold thou hast lied, for thou sayest that I spake as though I had authority to command God because I said he shall not save his people in their sins.

37 And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins. [Must receive the baptism of fire, made possible because of Jesus Christ.]

38 Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father?

39 And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last;

There are some that use these scriptures to teach that Jesus is the Father and that there is no hierarchy of heavenly beings in the Elohim. The “Eternal Father of heaven and earth” is a true description of Jesus Christ, as he is both the creator of this earth and all things around it, as directed by the Father. He is one with God, and is the beginning and end of our salvation. 

40 And he shall come into the world to redeem his people [those of the covenant]; and he shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; and these are they that shall have eternal life [The gift of the Holy Ghost and the resurrection of light which manifests itself in the world to come.], and [this] salvation cometh to none else.

41 Therefore the wicked remain [telestial] as though there had been no redemption made, except it be the loosing of the bands of death; for behold, the day cometh that all shall rise from the dead and stand before God, and be judged according to their works.

42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death. [Lose the bands that bind us to this world.]

43 The spirit and the body shall be reunited again in its perfect form; both limb and joint shall be restored to its proper frame, even as we now are at this time; and we shall be brought to stand before God, knowing even as we know now, and have a bright recollection of all our guilt. [The resurrection of the just is where our spirit and bodily form are united permanently in perfection, which means in its state of light or glory.]

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body [its visage and form without corruption], and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. [Every soul in one manner or another, depending upon the glory in which they abide, shall be judged of the Lord and sent to their place of glory. ]

45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. [What kind of life is a resurrection in relation to the mortal body?] I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal [without death], that they can no more see corruption [decay].

The key words to consider, “the whole becoming spiritual.” The resurrection is a spiritual manifestation of the glory in which we reside, where our bodies and spirit are combined to a perfection of light and substance that cannot be taken away.

46 Now, when Amulek had finished these words the people began again to be astonished, and also Zeezrom began to tremble. And thus ended the words of Amulek, or this is all that I have written.

The power of the Spirit of God had overwhelmed Zeezrom that he was overcome with fear and began to tremble. It was clear to Zeezrom that he was out of his league as he stood before a prophet of God.

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10 Responses to Amulek Confronts Zeezrom – Alma 11:1-46

  1. daniel Dylan says:

    (“ the whole becoming spiritual.” The resurrection is a “spiritual manifestation” of the glory in which we reside, where our bodies and spirit are combined to a perfection of light and substance that cannot be taken away.”) Our Telestial bodies are never brought out of the grave are they? Some bodies are never buried and are scattered to the four winds. Are new bodies made according to the glory we will receive either a Telestial, Terrestrial or Celestial? And my question is how are these bodies made? Are they made from the elements of the glory we will receive? Do they have to be exactly like the one we have in this life? Can they be made according to our desires? Not in vanity but some have bodies that are a struggle for them. I have always wondered about this. Can you shed more light upon this subject? [The elements of our physical body do not form the resurrected body. Our bones do not regenerate and become a perfect body in that manner. Our resurrected bodies are light according to the glory we inhabit, which is matter more refined, perfected, and with greater permanence than the dust which our temporal form dwells. We will appear according to our desire and familiarity. PR

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  2. daniel Dylan says:

    Verse 45…(“ I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal.”) When we condescend in the 4th estate what happens to our resurrected bodies from the 2nd estate? And our new body in the 4th estate is it just left in “ the grave “ and we go back to the body we had previously? Or because we receive new glory from the 4th estate condescension we are given that new body in a higher glory? One more question, when in the 3rd estate are we in our resurrected body from the 2nd estate or because we have agreed to condescend to a 4th estate we wait to have that body resurrected? Thank you for your patience with my questions. I just wonder about these things and I love learning all there is to know. [We do not rise from the earth in a resurrected body in that manner of speaking. When a person condescends they leave behind their glory and condescend beneath their status in order to help save souls, which is a great sacrifice. Jesus did this, yet He condescended beneath all things for the eternal sacrifice He fulfilled. Our spirit is the body we are concerned with, not the physical body. The spirit is resurrected in a body that is perfected according to the grace it has received. PR]

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  3. S Silver says:

    Was Zeezrom House of Israel? Second estate? An undecided among the children of men? Dark estate being? [Zeezrom was the House of Israel, but I do not know his estate. PR]

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  4. S Silver says:

    “To our purposes in this 2nd estate, their is only one God to whom we must know to be saved.”

    I have been wondering how, If intelligence has no beginning and cannot be created, how the animals were “created” when they obviously have spirits and intelligence like we do? Are there animal “Gods” who their spirit bodies descend from? Or were their spirits truly created by Heavenly Father by organizing intelligence somehow?

    I can’t figure out how Heavenly Father and Mother could call forth intelligences that responded to them and those become their spirit children but a similar organizing of intelligence produces the spirit of my sweet pet dog instead of a spirit child.

    (I also had a dream experience years ago where I knew the horse I was riding in Heaven was the sister twin of the male horse my son – who was actually one of my favorite spirit brothers – was riding. The horses seemed to be born/organized in male/female pairs like our spirits are.) [All intelligence has a different capacity for growth. For example, the elements consist of gold, silver, copper, etc. In the darkness God calls forth the intelligence and organizes them according to their capacities, which do not change. Some will be animals. Some animals are greater than others. After they are created there are angels of God that nurture them and prepare them to fill the measure of their creation. PR]

    Are you allowed to answer this mystery?

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  5. S Silver says:

    “The “Eternal Father of heaven and earth” is a true description of Jesus Christ, as he is both the creator of this earth and all things around it, as directed by the Father. He is one with God, and is the beginning and end of our salvation.“

    I pray to Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ but sometimes I find myself talking directly to Jesus, silently throughout the day. Or at least talking to “God”, knowing both He and HF can hear me but expecting Jesus to answer.

    Is this incorrect? I’ve wondered about this. The Nephites prayed to Jesus when He was with them in 3rd Nephi but the Lord’s Prayer prays to “Father who Art in Heaven”, which is kinda both Christ and Heavenly Father together.

    Who should I pray to normally? [You should pray to Heavenly Father until the Spirit directs you otherwise. I was told to pray directly to Jesus after receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. But, sometimes on rare occasion I am told to pray to the Father in His name. PR]

    When is praying to Christ a promoting one might have?

    Am I showing disrespect if I’m silently talking to Christ throughout my day as “God” because it seems to be Christ who answers?

    I’m sure this is such an elementary question but I don’t fully understand!

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  6. Richard Jeppson says:

    Why spend so much time in engraving so many words on limited plates about their currency? Just to show the level of bribe/ temptation offered to Amulek? Why not just say “And Zeezrom offered an exceedingly great sum of money….” [I believe everything that was included in the Book of Mormon was inspired by Mormon to include because it had relevance to our day. By showing how currency was used and abused by the wicked to undermine a society gives an interesting viewpoint for us to consider. PR]

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  7. Alma11:20 & Luke11:52 “Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.”
    is the key of knowledge be the gift of the holy ghost? or something else? —thank [Jesus Christ is the key of knowledge for us, by the power of the Holy Ghost we may know the truth of all things.] PR

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  8. Chelsea Stoten says:

    Hi PR, as far as the resurrection goes I understand we inherit our bodies of light and glory not made up of the dust of this earth but a more refined matter. Just curious what happened to the Saviors physical body, since the tomb was empty? Just quickened into non existence? Or he entered back into it (i remember now i think that was mentioned in one of your books) and it became quickened/changed into matter more refined than flesh and blood? Would that be a sufficient description of how it works? Thanks [There are many kinds of resurrections. The use of the word “quickening” is a good one to describe the change of physical matter. This is the same thing that occurs when a body is translated. The old body is no more. PR]

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  9. S Silver says:

    Vs 3: Is the reason we don’t find Nephite coins because the ancient way of money being measured weights of gold/silver was what the Nephites used? It would make sense if they were digging up their own gold that they would be trading by weight/measure as opposed to what we think of as coins. (Because who would oversee the making & stamping of coins? Weighing nuggets of gold would be easier for all the people.)

    Have you been shown whether they formed the gold & silver into bars, ingots, coins, etc? Did they stamp them in any way or just leave them plain? [That’s a good question. I never saw anything like that. PR]


  10. MRR says:

    vs 34: being saved in your sins vs being saved from your sins…

    “[This would be like asking: “Shall the Son of God save people without removing their sin?”]”

    So if I repent, I’m still in sin, or a sin filled person because I cannot be perfect. And even cresting into the baptism of fire/holy ghost event am not I also still in a state of “in sin”?

    Up until that event (bof/hg), I have not yet been made holy without spot, correct? My sins have not yet been remitted. Forgiven, yes but not remitted.

    If I have an accurate understanding (above) of the nature of fallen man in relation to his redemption in Christ (bof/gohg), then Amulek is not correct. Christ does actually save us in our sins. Is this correct? or the better question: why is this incorrect?

    Maybe it’s both “in and from”? [To be saved in our sins is to be ushered into the presence of God while still unholy, which is impossible. The baptism of fire and Holy Ghost makes us holy and is the result of our repentance followed by the redemption of Christ. The qualification for this is not perfection of spirit (sinless), but the desire of our heart. PR]


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