Grace for Grace – Helaman 12:1-26

1 And thus we can behold how false, and also the unsteadiness of the hearts of the children of men; yea, we can see that the Lord in his great infinite goodness doth bless and prosper those who put their trust in him. [“Trust in the Lord.” The most important lesson for a servant of God.]

2 Yea, and we may see at the very time when he doth prosper his people, yea, in the increase of their fields, their flocks and their herds, and in gold, and in silver, and in all manner of precious things of every kind and art [creative method]; sparing their lives, and delivering them out of the hands of their enemies; softening the hearts of their enemies that they should not declare wars against them [The Lord can, often through His holy angels and the prayers of the righteous, speak to the minds and hearts of our enemies and foes. Remember this when you pray for assistance and you exercise faith.]; yea, and in fine, doing all things for the welfare and happiness of his people; yea, then is the time that they do harden their hearts, and do forget the Lord their God, and do trample under their feet the Holy One—yea, and this because of their ease, and their exceedingly great prosperity. [Why does ease and property often lead to wickedness amongst the people? Is the acquiring of wealth and fortune a greater burden than to be poor? Could you give up everything you have if the Lord required it? Do you care more for the needs of others than for your own desires? If you are blessed with wealth seek to know the Lord’s will and be very cautious.]

3 And thus we see that except the Lord doth chasten his people with many afflictions, yea, except he doth visit them with death and with terror, and with famine and with all manner of pestilence, they will not remember him. [Often those who are of the covenant, or the people of God suffer when they fall into iniquity. The Lord allows them to stumble that they may be humbled and remember to repent.]

4 O how foolish, and how vain, and how evil, and devilish, and how quick to do iniquity, and how slow to do good, are the children of men; yea, how quick to hearken unto the words of the evil one, and to set their hearts upon the vain things of the world!

5 Yea, how quick to be lifted up in pride; yea, how quick to boast, and do all manner of that which is iniquity; and how slow are they to remember the Lord their God, and to give ear unto his counsels, yea, how slow to walk in wisdom’s paths!

Why is the world so wicked and slow to come unto the Lord? The answer lies in the kind of covenants that were made before birth. Most people come into this world with no intention of following Christ or the Adversary. They just want to live. Many of the children of men are very old souls, having existed in a telestial state for a very long time. Those who are born under the covenant are often the younger of souls, born in the first estate to the Father, and learning through their experiences to choose the good and reject the bitter. But, there is a time of reckoning and as the Times of the Gathering of Israel commences all must decide what they will finally choose.

6 Behold, they do not desire that the Lord their God, who hath created them, should rule and reign over them; notwithstanding his great goodness and his mercy towards them, they do set at naught his counsels, and they will not that he should be their guide.

7 O how great is the nothingness of the children of men; yea, even they are less than the dust of the earth. [Even the dust obeys God’s command.]

8 For behold, the dust of the earth moveth hither and thither, to the dividing asunder, at the command of our great and everlasting God.

9 Yea, behold at his voice do the hills and the mountains tremble and quake.

10 And by the power of his voice they are broken up, and become smooth, yea, even like unto a valley.

11 Yea, by the power of his voice doth the whole earth shake;

12 Yea, by the power of his voice, do the foundations rock, even to the very center.

13 Yea, and if he say unto the earth—Move—it is moved.

14 Yea, if he say unto the earth—Thou shalt go back, that it lengthen out the day for many hours—it is done;

Mormon is describing the power of God, which is also the power of those who hold His sealing power.

15 And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back, and it appeareth unto man that the sun standeth still; yea, and behold, this is so; for surely it is the earth that moveth and not the sun. [The Nephites were well aware of the cosmos and the moving of the planets and stars.]

16 And behold, also, if he say unto the waters of the great deep [oceans and seas]—Be thou dried up—it is done.

17 Behold, if he say unto this mountain—Be thou raised up, and come over and fall upon that city, that it be buried up—behold it is done. [This has occurred historically in the days of Enoch.]

18 And behold, if a man hide up a treasure in the earth, and the Lord shall say—Let it be accursed, because of the iniquity of him who hath hid it up—behold, it shall be accursed.

19 And if the Lord shall say—Be thou accursed, that no man shall find thee from this time henceforth and forever—behold, no man getteth it henceforth and forever.

20 And behold, if the Lord shall say unto a man—Because of thine iniquities, thou shalt be accursed forever—it shall be done. [The Lord has in the past hid up the treasures of the world and even the remains of entire civilizations. One of the miracles that will occur before the Second Coming in glory will be the discovery of entire civilizations hidden from the world by snow and ice.]

21 And if the Lord shall say—Because of thine iniquities thou shalt be cut off from my presence—he will cause that it shall be so. [The banishment of the damned to Outer Darkness.]

22 And wo unto him to whom he shall say this, for it shall be unto him that will do iniquity, and he cannot be saved; therefore, for this cause, that men might be saved, hath repentance been declared. [Those of perdition are claimed by the Adversary, Satan, and the dark realm, never to be redeemed worlds without end.]

23 Therefore, blessed are they who will repent and hearken unto the voice of the Lord their God; for these are they that shall be saved. [Those born without the law are saved from perdition, but must accept Christ to receive Eternal Life. Moroni 8:22]

24 And may God grant, in his great fulness, that men might be brought unto repentance [change of heart] and good works [covenants], that they might be restored [resurrected] unto grace for grace, according to their works. [This is a simple definition of the Everlasting Covenant, and it extends far beyond this life. “Grace” is another word for estates or glory. The individual must pass from one estate or glory to another until they are perfected in all things.] 

25 And I would that all men might be saved. But we read that in the great and last day there are some who shall be cast out, yea, who shall be cast off from the presence of the Lord; [Outer Darkness, or to a telestial world where the Lord does not go.]

26 Yea, who shall be consigned to a state of endless misery, fulfilling the words which say: They that have done good shall have everlasting life; and they that have done evil shall have everlasting damnation. And thus it is. Amen.

There is some confusion regarding the state of the damned. Yes, it is misery, but it is a conscious choice. These souls seek self gratification and dominion. No spirit is tricked or accidentally chooses Satan’s path, it is a their desire. many of these spirits are as repulsed by the works of righteousness as you are by their terrible deeds.

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16 Responses to Grace for Grace – Helaman 12:1-26

  1. v. 5 …Most people come into this world with no intention of following Christ or the Adversary. They just want to live. Many of the children of men are very old souls, having existed in a telestial state for a very long time….

    Are these eternal Second Estates (telestials) a combined percentage of Second Estates from other worlds who just did not exercise enough faith to obtain eternal life (3rd Estate)? For example, you have said that there are approximately 300 million children of Adam connected to this earth. Will there be a percentage of those Children of Light who made the Eternal covenant with Heavenly Father but who will not exercise enough faith, or desire not to progress, and will just become an eternal Second Estate (telestial) joining the other billions who were invited to this earth to try their chance at Eternal Life or Damnation? And once judgment (or separating and organizing according to our light) occurs, that percentage will join the other billions to transmigrate to another world to continue having experiences in the flesh? [Yes. PR]

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  2. [Those of perdition are claimed by the Adversary, Satan, and the dark realm, never to be redeemed worlds without end.]

    Please may you put light to the “worlds without end” ?
    Does it(world without end ) means thé perditions going To increase darker and darker in that realm ?
    Thank Pr.
    [Yes, they become more dark as they progress in their realm. There is no end to its darkness. PR]

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  3. jcodyhale says:

    The thought of any of the house of Israel/Children of light being damned to a telestial existence is terrifying to me. I hope the percentage is small. I think you mentioned somewhere that it would be. [It is small. PR]

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  4. Karla says:

    You said the souls of the children of men are very old, and lived on other telestial worlds, so I wondered, was a sent into a family that is a mixture of the covenant people and old souls? I’m a convert and most of my extended family are nonmembers, some Catholics, but not active, more of cultural type of thing, but they are the nicest people ever. They love their families, but want almost nothing to do with Christ, and then I have some that are members, that struggle being nice, and loving, more of a cultural thing too. So are we sent to rescue these old souls that have no desire to chose either way.. [We live in the time of the gentiles, where the House of Israel bloodlines are rare and many of the covenant beings are spread throughout the gentiles today. Often a covenant being will be born into a family to help lift them, like leaven raises the dough. Those who made such covenants are drawn to the Gospel, for the Elect hear His voice and come to Him. PR]

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  5. Nate says:

    You say the House of Israel bloodlines are rare, what do you mean? [That means that they are not mixed with other races. PR]

    Most of the Elect (I assume they’re elect) don’t seek or don’t care about the Gifts of the Spirit and the Second Comforter. Is it just that most Elect don’t care or that the Elect on the earth today are rare? [When the Gatherers go forth they will gather the Elect, and they will hear their message. Today there are some awakening early, but not nearly enough. PR]

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  6. Nathan Wilder says:

    “Today there are some awakening early, but not nearly enough.”
    😦 That makes me sad. I’ll give it my best.

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  7. Karla says:

    Thank you for answering my questions. I do have another one, the souls of the children of men are very old and they are just interested in having an earthly experience, telestial life, this makes me wonder, what do they do in between these earthly lives? Spirit prison? Who decides when is time for them to be born again? And in what family line? Do they come back to the same family line? Is God still calling the shots for them like when and where they go for their probation? Sorry, I guess I had many more questions. I know one of your books touches on some of this stuff. [“Spirit Prison” is the modern term for the place where the spirits of men dwell before the resurrection. It is a prison because they are confined to this world, and basically walk the lands of their inheritance, their familiar places, and people. If they are House of Israel and under covenant, their placement is decided according to the Principality Angels and their lives are prepared. If they are not of the covenant and of the children of men, they are allowed to be born into bodies according to their family lines. Those who express desire, or have prayers offered in their behalf, are often met by angels at their death and given an opportunity to come unto Christ. At that point they are taught and may be released from prison to the First Heaven. PR]

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  8. bebelsbo says:

    Do children of men between one earth experience and the next one dwell on the other planets of our solar system and the planets with many moons represent certain dominion? [No, this is why it is referred to as “spirit prison,” as they are confined to this world. The exception are those who ascend. PR]

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  9. jcodyhale says:

    Since in children of men’s Spirits are confined to this earth until their next round, are they able to influence us as familiar spirits etc.? [Yes, they can be recruited by the Adversary. PR]

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  10. Emma Adusman says:

    Beautiful insights PR . You have inspired me a lot ever since I started following you .. Much love to you brother ✊💞🇺🇬

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  11. Star Scream says:

    Hi P.R.

    Page 121 of the book “A Witness of the Heavenly Realm”:

    I was trying to think of any question I could and asked if there were many minorities amongst the angels.Yes, there are black, dark skinned and others. Often, they are those who have been adopted into the House of Israel and they don’t change their skin color usually.Just like there are dark haired angels, there are all colors. Their glory is such that they are filled with light.”

    Are our spirit bodies the same colour as our mortal skins? [Usually, yes. However a spirit can often change how they appear. PR]
    Are all first estate spirits that are born of Heavenly Father and Mother white? (I am going from what you taught a while ago that Black Africans are very old 2nd estate souls) [Yes, they are in the image of God. PR]

    If so, what would make the skin color (spirit and physical) of these ancient souls change? Is it their choice? [In many cases it is a kind of evolution, but sometimes from DNA manipulation. When an old soul comes into the Everlasting Covenant they usually keep their skin color and visage. The uniqueness of the physical form in the Celestial Realm is considered beautiful and a symbol of their faith and journey in the eternities. PR]

    See, I am black, and if by the grace of God I ascend to the 3rd estate I would want to remain black. Do people who do not ascend have the choice to change their skin colour?

    Can 2nd estate spirit beings also manipulate their appearance by will like the ascended beings can? [Yes. PR]

    Thank you for everything you do through the Grace of God.

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  12. Peter Taylor says:

    Thanks PR for being the channel through which the Lord is teaching me the baby steps. I DO AND WILL ALWAYS TRUST in Him, that as I follow the steps you so aptly detail to opening my spiritual eyes, at some point I will know my calling, and will have The Lord himself direct me to my end time mission of Gathering. This truly is Pure Revelation to me, even if it seems that the progress is so gradual.

    RE: Those who are born under the covenant are often the younger of souls, born in the first estate to the Father…

    Question: Who, if anyone is NOT born in the first estate to the Father? [All people on this earth were born to the Father and were first estate at some point. This does not mean they would be outside the dominion of our God. It would be like going to a family reunion and there are the kids, the cousins, the uncles, but all come down the same line. PR]

    Thx for the additional clarity on the Everlasting covenant. I am all about CONTEXT, so it helps.

    Can’t wait to see what is under Antarctica, that place has always fascinated me.

    Also, I look forward to your reading of Moroni 8, as your comment hints at something I have always pondered.

    May God continue to bless you. And praise the Lord for the Prophet Joseph and the Book of Mormon!

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  13. Nate says:

    “If so, what would make the skin color (spirit and physical) of these ancient souls change? Is it their choice? [In many cases it is a kind of evolution, but sometimes from DNA manipulation. When an old soul comes into the Everlasting Covenant they usually keep their skin color and visage. The uniqueness of the physical form in the Celestial Realm is considered beautiful and a symbol of their faith and journey in the eternities. PR]”

    Among the original races of men (2nd estate) who came to this earth, were any of them white like people are today? (European/Scandanavian- white skin, blue eyes, blonde and brunette hair) [Yes. PR]

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  14. Mike Ross says:

    Bebelsbo wrote:
    Do children of men between one earth experience and the next one dwell on the other planets of our solar system and the planets with many moons represent certain dominion? [No, this is why it is referred to as “spirit prison,” as they are confined to this world. The exception are those who ascend. PR]

    My Question: When does the transmigration of souls who “travel” to another world happen? Does that happen when this world becomes Terrestrialized? Celestialized? At the very end of this world’s 4th estate? Is celestialization of a planet 5th estate? [They stay on this telestial world until the end of the Millenium, then transmigrate to another world. This is my understanding. PR]

    Another question: You mentioned that this earth is 4th estate. When this earth becomes Terrestrialized—— ok so does that mean at that point of Terrestrialization our earth goes beyond the 4th estate? [No, it stays that way until it is ready to ascend at the end of the Millenium to its Celestial state. PR]

    Being a 4th estate planet, has this earth already been through a 2nd coming of Jesus? [I don’t know. PR]

    Has this earth chosen to condescend to take part of the redemption of souls again to add glory? [Yes. PR]

    When this earth becomes 5th estate, can it choose to condescend again with the role of housing 2nd-4th estate souls on it for another round of 7000 years of probation? [Can’t talk about anything beyond 4th estate. PR]

    I know you can’t comment past 4th estate so once again I am probably pushing my luck… but since my questions deal mostly with 4th estate reality of the earth’s progression I thought it might be ok.

    If you can’t answer… can you at least explain how the Lord teaches these concepts? Is there some sort of cosmic white board involved? Panoramic movie? Massive downloads into your brain? Is that information permanent (does it stay with you?) or does it scatter later? How do you retain everything from when He explains it to when your pen writes in your journal? Do you ever ask Him to repeat a concept? When you are able to be taught by the Lord like what you describe are you yourself “upgraded” to be able to retain more than the Telestial version of yourself normally is able to retain? [Usually, one direct question opens up a large amount of information, which leads to more questions. Sometimes I have to ask the Lord to help me retain it, but usually I ask if I can return and learn more. It is certainly a process. It took Abraham 40 years to learn all he did about the heavens and how to understand them in relation to this earth. It is a language in itself, especially in understanding how to read the signs. The big signs the Lord is gracious enough to tell us when we know to ask. PR]

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  15. jth0932 says:

    Confused. You said above ” [All people on this earth were born to the Father and were first estate at some point. This does not mean they would be outside the dominion of our God. It would be like going to a family reunion and there are the kids, the cousins, the uncles, but all come down the same line. PR]. But in my readings I thought that you said there were others here on earth and among the sons of men that were brought here from other places and that some of the races are from other Father’s. [They are children of God, the Elohim. This is all I can really say more than I have. PR]
    Jack

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  16. janafosborn says:

    “Many of the children of men are very old souls, having existed in a telestial state for a very long time. ”
    It is a bit daunting to think I may be one of those very old souls that just never gets it right! Just stuck in a telestial life. Maybe if we could remember a little, just a little of our pre earthly life instead of having the “slate” of our memory wiped clean every time. If we prayed with faith, would God restore some of that memory? How does our faith increase if we are just the same person over and over again?? Thank you, again!!! [An important juncture for most people takes place before they are even born. If you were an “old soul,” trapped in your ways, but for some reason you choose before birth to seek the Christ, you would take upon you the Everlasting Covenant and be counted amongst the Elect. Entering mortality, regardless of your geneology, your spirit would be sensitive to the Gospel, and the Angels of God would be assigned to help you to receive the Lord in every possible way. This was less common until the Times of the Gentiles unfolded after the Resurrection of Christ. The Lord is forever merciful. PR]

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