D&C 84:1-58 Thoughts

1 A revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and six elders, as they united their hearts and lifted their voices on high.

2 Yea, the word of the Lord concerning his church, established in the last days for the restoration of his people, as he has spoken by the mouth of his prophets, and for the gathering of his saints to stand upon Mount Zion, which shall be the city of New Jerusalem.

3 Which city shall be built, beginning at the temple lot, which is appointed by the finger of the Lord, in the western boundaries of the State of Missouri, and dedicated by the hand of Joseph Smith, Jun., and others with whom the Lord was well pleased. [This is where the temple of the New Jersusalem will be built, in Jackson County, Missouri.]

4 Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation. [A “generation” is a time appointed. It can mean a generation of a life cycle, or a generation of a time. This is why sometimes we hear of the Times of the Gentiles, or such language.]

5 For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud [glory of God, hiding the view of His visage] shall rest upon it, which cloud shall be even the glory of the Lord, which shall fill the house. [This has not yet occurred in any temple in these last days, but will in the future.]

6 And the sons of Moses, according to the Holy Priesthood which he received under the hand of his father-in-law, Jethro;

7 And Jethro received it under the hand of Caleb;

8 And Caleb received it under the hand of Elihu;

9 And Elihu under the hand of Jeremy;

10 And Jeremy under the hand of Gad;

11 And Gad under the hand of Esaias;

12 And Esaias received it under the hand of God. [Here we see a break in Fathers, having received his ordination directly from Heaven.]

13 Esaias also lived in the days of Abraham, and was blessed of him—

14 Which Abraham received the priesthood from Melchizedek, who received it through the lineage of his fathers, even till Noah;

15 And from Noah till Enoch, through the lineage of their fathers;

Why is there a lineage of priesthood listed here? Does it require a man to lay his hand upon another man to receive priesthood? It is not so much that a hand must be placed upon a person and words spoken to be given some unseen power. It is the passing of knowledge and understanding from one who has such a relationship with God to a younger generation. Who will carry the true relationship with the Lord and pass it on to the next? Each of the Patriarchs had to come to their own priesthood in their own time, seeking the Lord intimately with no man between them and God. Moses came to the burning bush and began a relationship, but he would not have known God if his father-in-law Jethro had not taught him.

In tradition, all things were passed from the Patriarch of a family to their oldest son whose responsibility it was to carry it to the next generation. The “knowledge of God,” and priesthood relationship also existed between a husband and wife of the righteous, but by tradition it is listed in this manner.

16 And from Enoch to Abel, who was slain by the conspiracy of his brother, who received the priesthood by the commandments of God, by the hand of his father Adam, who was the first man—

17 Which priesthood continueth in the church of God in all generations [periods of time], and is without beginning of days or end of years. [always existed and will continue in perpetuity]

This lineage of priesthood from Moses to Adam, and how it continues today by those who receive it. What is this priesthood, or relationship of the divine, that has persisted in the world even until today? This is what the Lord is about to explain.

18 And the Lord confirmed a priesthood also upon Aaron and his seed, throughout all their generations, which priesthood [relationship to God] also continueth and abideth forever with the priesthood which is after the holiest order of God.

The Sons of Aaron were selected to be a choice lineage of priests, after the order of God. These, selected based upon pre-Adam covenants, would lead the rest of the House of Israel to find God. These were to represent the 4th Estate, although those acting in that capacity were 2nd estate. It was a role for teaching purposes to prepare the House of Israel. The Levites (Sons of Moses) represented the 3rd Estate who would set an example for the rest of the House of Israel as they would seek a relationship with God. The Nazarites were those of the 2nd estate that would self-select to become 3rd estate. In all this is a pattern of the Everlasting Covenant, the full purpose of the Mosiac Law and the ancient Hebrew ceremonies as given by the Lord to His chosen people.

19 And this greater priesthood administereth the gospel and holdeth the key of the mysteries of the kingdom, even the key of the knowledge of God. [The 4th estate, as symbolized by the Sons of Aaron (Priests), would administer the Gospel (Doctrine of Christ), which would prepare the Lord’s people to receive all the knowledge of the Kingdom of God (the mysteries).]

20 Therefore, in the ordinances thereof, the power of godliness is manifest. [Ordinances are teaching vehicles to prepare the spirit for the true reality of what is promised. Usually, they represent an invitation to receive at a future time.]

21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood [messengers of God], the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh; [Without these things experienced and taught, the Lord cannot prepare the individual to receive His glory while in the flesh.]

22 For without this no man can see the face of God, even the Father, and live. [No man or woman can stand in the presence of God unless they are made clean by the power of the Holy Ghost.  These ordinances, specifically the baptism of fire and becoming born again of the spirit (a baptism of the Holy Ghost) allow us to enter the presence of the Father. And who is our Father? It will be Him whom has saved us, even Jesus Christ. Each Father (and mother) lifts us to a new beginning. In this is a mystery.]

23 Now this Moses plainly taught to the children of Israel in the wilderness, and sought diligently to sanctify [make clean] his people that they might behold the face of God; [to literally enter His presence and stand shoulder to shoulder with Moses]

24 But they hardened their hearts [chose to turn away and follow unbelief and false tradition] and could not endure his presence [could not be sanctified]; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest [receive the gift of the HG] while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory. [to become Zion]

When we read about the “wrath of God” or “anger” of God, it creates a picture in the mind of an unfamiliar, mean and spiteful God, which is far from the truth. These expressions of scripture should be read differently. God’s wrath and anger are more accurately interpreted as the removal of His Spirit, to fall into the hands of the Adversary because of a lack of protection from the divine. The Lord is grieved when His children forsake him, and when His spirit withdraws, the uncertainty of the temporal world can rain down upon us. Only in the case of protecting future generations from a cycle of sin does the Lord clean away a people by destruction. There is always mercy, but justice is how God organizes his creations according to the laws of Heaven.

25 Therefore, he took Moses out of their midst, and the Holy Priesthood also; [The opportunity to receive the higher blessings of the Everlasting Covenant, namely the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the means to commune face to face with God.]

26 And the lesser priesthood continued, which priesthood holdeth the key of the ministering of angels and the preparatory gospel; [In other words, he prepared a system of ordinances that would prepare their minds to accept His servants, the angels, the 4th estate which are in heaven, and in the flesh on this earth. This preparatory Gospel was the Law of Moses.]

27 Which gospel [God’s Word] is the gospel of repentance [turning to God]and of baptism, and the remission of sins, [cleansing by water, spiritual renewal] and the law of carnal commandments [Ten Commandments], which the Lord in his wrath [despite their wickedness] caused to continue with the house of Aaron among the children of Israel until John, whom God raised up, being filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb. [When John came into this world it was the beginning of a new dispensation, or renewal of priesthood. John was born with the relationship to God needed to fulfill His mission. He is not the first to have been born with the HG from his mother’s womb.]

28 For he was baptized while he was yet in his childhood [John received the Holy Ghost before baptism of water], and was ordained [given instructions to perform His mission] by the angel of God at the time he was eight days old unto this power, to overthrow the kingdom of the Jews, and to make straight the way of the Lord before the face of his people, to prepare them for the coming of the Lord, in whose hand is given all power.

29 And again, the offices of elder and bishop are necessary appendages [offices to assist in the work] belonging unto the high priesthood. [namely, the ordinations that point to Higher Priesthood, such as the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Sacrament, and officiating over the Church.]

30 And again, the offices of teacher and deacon are necessary appendages belonging to the lesser priesthood, which priesthood was confirmed upon Aaron and his sons. [Namely, the preparatory needs of the church to learn of the Doctrine of Christ.]

31 Therefore, as I said concerning the sons of Moses [Levites}—for the sons of Moses and also the sons of Aaron shall offer an acceptable offering and sacrifice in the house of the Lord, which house shall be built unto the Lord in this generation, upon the consecrated spot as I have appointed—[Here is the call to the 4th estate to gather and build the Church of the Lamb to prepare for the coming of the Lord. The building of the temple in the New Jerusalem.]

32 And the sons of Moses and of Aaron shall be filled with the glory of the Lord, upon Mount Zion in the Lord’s house, whose sons are ye; and also many whom I have called and sent forth to build up my church. [The question: how many were as the sons of Aaron, symbolic in this capacity, and how many were literal 4th estate? In the Parable of the Watchtower in Section 101, the Lord rebukes the slothful servants on the tower for not protecting the vineyard.]

33 For whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods [ascending in this divine relationship] of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling [honoring their sacred call], are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies. [This sanctification is the literal resurrection of the spirit body, the ascension to a higher glory and knowledge of God.]

There are attempts to divide various priesthoods into multiple kinds or levels, but it is very simple. In each realm of glory (i.e.: telestial, terrestrial, celestial) there is an introductory and then a fullness of priesthood. The telestial priesthood brings us into a relationship with the Holy Ghost. It begins as we repent and exercise gifts of the Spirit, followed by the receiving of the gift of the Holy Ghost after following the pattern of the Doctrine of Christ. This priesthood officiates in preparatory ordinances.

The terrestrial Priesthood brings us into a tangible relationship with the Lord, Jesus Christ. This usually begins with a Second Comforter experience and then is made whole when receiving one’s calling and election made sure. This priesthood officiates in spiritual ordinances with eternal consequences.

The celestial or highest priesthood brings us into a relationship with the Elohim, which is the line of Fathers and Mothers of all creation, without end. Any of these can be experienced in mortality, but requires a transfiguration. Thus, a person must be sanctified and given access to God for this to occur. This priesthood officiates in ordinances of creation.

These three priesthoods are limited in this world according to the power we can bear. Most people will experience the power of the Holy Ghost who can bear it by faith. Some will experience the power of the Son, by means of a Second Comforter, or even more. All else comes after a calling and election made sure in accordance to their life mission.

34 They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God. [They join the family of the Elect, the Sons and Daughters of God, and the Church of the Firstborn]

35 And also all they who receive this priesthood [The Holy Ghost] receive me, [the gaitway to Him] saith the Lord;

36 For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me; [Again, those who follow His Gospel as taught will receive Him through repentance, baptism of water and fire, the Holy Ghost.]

37 And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father; [The gate way to the Elohim, which is Father, Mother, and beyond.]

38 And he that receiveth my Father receiveth my Father’s kingdom; therefore all that my Father hath shall be given unto him. [This is Exaltation, the full purpose of the Everlasting Covenant, to rise the full ladder of our progression.]

39 And this is according to the oath and covenant which belongeth to the priesthood. [This is how we enter the Everlasting Covenant, which is administered before the foundation of the world. This priesthood is our true relationship with God.]

40 Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved. [We are bound to it. Either as a 2nd estate or 4th estate being. The Third estate is accomplished only in this life. Fourth and Fifth only in the life to come.]

41 But whoso breaketh this covenant after he hath received it, and altogether turneth therefrom, shall not have forgiveness of sins in this world nor in the world to come. [Referencing one who has become a Son of Perdition.]

42 And wo [so sad] unto all those who come not unto this priesthood which ye have received, which I now confirm upon you who are present this day, by mine own voice out of the heavens; and even I have given the heavenly hosts and mine angels charge concerning you.

43 And I now give unto you a commandment to beware concerning yourselves, to give diligent heed to the words of eternal life. [A commandment of God]

44 For you shall live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God. [Every revelation received, by whatever means. Whether it be by the whisperings of the Spirit, the voice of a Servant, or words of scripture. Seek revelation to know which is the “mouth of God” to you.]

45 For the word of the Lord is truth, and whatsoever is truth is light, and whatsoever is light is Spirit, even the Spirit of Jesus Christ

46 And the Spirit giveth light to every man that cometh into the world; and the Spirit enlighteneth every man through the world, that hearkeneth to the voice of the Spirit. [All can receive this light, intelligence, truth, and “word of God” if we do not turn away from it.]

47 And every one that hearkeneth to the voice of the Spirit cometh unto God, even the Father.

48 And the Father teacheth him of the covenant which he has renewed and confirmed upon you, which is confirmed upon you for your sakes, and not for your sakes only, but for the sake of the whole world. [These verses are demonstrating how God reaches out to us. Those who have made the covenant before this world hear his voice. They hearken to the Spirit of Truth, and then their Covenant is renewed in baptism of water and then fire. Why? Because the servants of God must awake and save the whole world. This is done through bringing the Gospel to the House of Israel and all those who will hear His Voice.]

49 And the whole world lieth in sin, and groaneth under darkness and under the bondage of sin. [This is a literal reference to the earth itself, a sentient being, whose spirit is aware of the degree of sin that is upon her.]

50 And by this you may know they [the children of men] are under the bondage of sin, because they come not unto me. [They have not made the Covenant and have no inclination to do so.]

51 For whoso cometh not unto me is under the bondage of sin.

52 And whoso receiveth not my voice is not acquainted with my voice, and is not of me.

53 And by this you may know the righteous from the wicked, and that the whole world groaneth under sin and darkness even now. [The Lord now sets the record straight: who are righteous and who are not of Him by giving an example.]

54 And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief [To set stakes in the ground of how one will believe, and how much faith they are willing to exercise. Often those with unbelief carry false traditions that prevent them from receiving the blessings of God.], and because you [The Lord informs them that they are guilty of this.] have treated lightly the things you have received—

To “treat lightly” is to not see the reality of the promise. To dismiss the gravity of the situation. To focus upon the mundane of the world and pass up the great clarity and beauty of Heaven that is within reach. To see one’s own wisdom above that of God.

55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation. [This is a powerful rebuke against the church. Not just part of the church, all of it!]

56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion [The followers of Mormonism], even all.

57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say [teach], but to do according to that which I have written—

What are they condemned for? For not repenting (turning their hearts to God) and remembering the new covenant (The Doctrine of Christ, to come unto Him and receive the Holy Ghost as written in the Book of Mormon). What are the former commandments? (3 Nephi, Chapter 11)

58 That they may bring forth fruit meet for their Father’s kingdom [to receive the Holy Ghost and ascend to the Third Estate]; otherwise there remaineth a scourge and judgment to be poured out upon the children of Zion. [you who are seeking Zion]

59 For shall the children of the kingdom pollute my holy land? Verily, I say unto you, Nay. [The Lord will not allow wickedness to thrive or cause a stumbling block to His work. He will separate them and allow them to stumble that they may repent and come unto Him again.]

Has this condemnation on the church ever been revoked? No, it has not. Why is the Lord so strong in his words regarding the church from only a couple years since it was organized? (1832) Because, the priesthood relationship He desired to share with them was not bearing fruit.

When the condemnation is lifted, the children of Zion will finally see the glory of God come down and the establishment of Zion with its temple in Jackson County will be built. All of the Saints, both men, women, and children, will have the priesthood of God and know Him, for we shall see Him as He is, and our oaths and covenants of priesthood shall be fulfilled.

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20 Responses to D&C 84:1-58 Thoughts

  1. woodberries says:

    As I am rethinking all I’ve been taught, this post is a bright ray of truthful sunshine! Love it. Thank you.

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  2. Aaron Dean Murray says:

    When the condemnation is lifted, the children of Zion will finally see the glory of God come down and the establishment of Zion with its temple in Jackson County will be built.
    Will western Missouri be “wiped clean of every living thing” before this happens? [It will be prepared before the building begins, as it will not be occupied by many. However, it will not be completely cleaned of life. PR]
    Thank You
    Aaron

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  3. John Crane says:

    You wrote:
    28 For he was baptized while he was yet in his childhood [John received the Holy Ghost before baptism of water], and was ordained [given instructions to perform His mission] by the angel of God at the time he was eight days old unto this power, to overthrow the kingdom of the Jews, and to make straight the way of the Lord before the face of his people, to prepare them for the coming of the Lord, in whose hand is given all power.

    From the Gospel of John:
    John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

    Was this angel of God who instructed John in verse 28 the same angel mentioned by John the Baptist in John 1:33? [I don’t know. PR]

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  4. Dane Allred says:

    “The Nazarites were those of the 2nd estate that would self-select to become 3rd estate. In all this is a pattern of the Everlasting Covenant, the full purpose of the Mosiac Law and the ancient Hebrew ceremonies as given by the Lord to His chosen people.” Were the Nazarites 2nd estate that had not made covenants (like the house of Israel) but chose to follow Christ anyway? [All Israelites are under the Covenant. The Nazarites chose to dedicate themselves to God, like the Levites, and followed certain vows to demonstrate that. They were symbolic of the children of men who would choose the Covenant and come unto Christ. PR]

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  5. Mike Ross says:

    “The Sons of Aaron were selected to be a choice lineage of priests, after the order of God. These, selected based upon pre-Adam covenants”

    what is a pre Adam covenant? [Before the earth was populated, in the spirit realm. PR]
    Did this covenant take place on an earth? [Yes. PR]
    on this earth before Adam ?

    or did this pre Adam covenant take place in the 1st estate? [It was the first estate. When the earth was created, the spirits were created at the same time. PR]

    Also just checking… I am in a debate with a person who is disputing my explanation that the the Atonement of Christ is the everlasting covenant. There is no EC if there is no Atoning sacrifice made by our Lord. [The Everlasting Covenant is like the blueprint of a house. The Atonement is the foundation for which it is built. PR]

    Am I off on this teaching or is there a nuance I am missing?

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  6. Andy Peterson says:

    D&C 84. I can’t help but compare the condemnation pronounced upon the church in this section with section 101 and the parable of the vineyard. In verse seven of section 101 the Lord says that the vineyard was destroyed because they would not hearken unto the voice of the Lord.

    I believe that this is the same reason that the Lord is referring to in D&C 84 when He says that the Church is under condemnation for not remembering the “new covenant”.

    One of my favorite explanations of what this “new covenant” is, is found in the book of Jeremiah:
    Jeremiah 31:31 ​​¶ ​Behold, the days come, saith the ​​Lord​​, that I will make A NEW COVENANT with the house of ​​​Israel​, and with the house of Judah:
    ​​​32 ​Not according to the ​​​covenant​ that I made with their fathers in the day ​that​ I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the ​​Lord​​:
    ​​​33 ​But this ​shall be​ the ​​​covenant​ that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the ​​Lord​​, I will put my ​​​law​ in their inward parts, and write it in their ​​​hearts​; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    ​​​34 ​And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the ​​Lord​​: for they shall all ​​​know​ me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the ​​Lord​​: for I will forgive their ​​​iniquity​, and I will remember their sin no more.

    The “New Covenant” is to take the Lord as our guide, captain, master and God and to hearken unto the commandments that he gives each of us through the power and calling of the Holy Ghost.

    We stand condemned as a church because we do not “live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God”… but instead we stay ourselves upon the philosophies of men mingled with scripture and upon an organization that we worship as an idol.

    And in section 101, I believe that the watchman who the Lord instructed his servants to place upon the watchtower is the Holy Ghost, and our covenant connection with Him is the tower that we are supposed to build. If we do this, the enemy will have no power over us, but If we are slothful we will stay under this condemnation until we finally learn to “remember” this “new covenant”.

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  7. Chaser says:

    “He is not the first to have been born with the HG from his mother’s womb.]” From verse 27.

    Do you have permission to share any of the others’ names that are counted among those born with the HG from his mother’s womb? [I do not. PR]

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  8. Theta32 says:

    For those who are 2nd estate individuals who have entered into the everlasting covenant during their first estate, and who are good/righteous individuals but don’t attain their 3rd estate (baptism of fire and gift of the Holy Ghost) in this life. Do they have an opportunity in a future earth life to condescend again to receive additional mortal experiences and gain their 3rd estate (baptism of fire and gift of the Holy Ghost) then? [If they did not ascend during this life, but they were terrestrial in their acceptance of Christ, they can receive in the next. PR]

    Can this happen even multiple times until an individual ‘gets it right’ and obtains their B of F and gift of HG? If so, is it more unusual for an individual to obtain their 3rd estate on their ‘first try’ of earth life, or is it generally something that requires multiple attempts and/or condescensions? Thoughts? [It seems that few of the House of Israel get it on their first time. But all will have it before the end of the world, except those who refused. PR]

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  9. daniel Dylan says:

    [It seems that few of the House of Israel get it on their first time. But all will have it before the end of the world, except those who refused. PR] in the above comment , it confused me, Are you saying that one person who is second estate of the , House Of Israel , can have multiple probations on this earth to get it right ( receive the baptism of fire and gift of the Holy Ghost) ? Or they have another probation on a new earth to get it right as a 2 nd Estate being? Thank you for your patience with my questions. [I’m only speaking of this earth. You will need to seek revelation for further clarification. PR]

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  10. Why was the focus always on the New Jerusalem as Zion? It seems Joseph knew about first Zion out in the west and he must have told others which is why they headed to the Rockies when they were driven out. So why the focus on building Zion in Missouri first? [It is the land of Adam. It is sacred and where the Lord desires Zion to be established. PR]

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  11. Luodi Grover says:

    21 And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood [messengers of God], the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh; [Without these things experienced and taught, the Lord cannot prepare the individual to receive His glory while in the flesh

    This being true, when do you see churchs as organizations teaching more of this?

    It seems so many do not even understand the steps to obtaining the permanent gift of the Holy ghost.

    Is there a time appointed that those that understand this can Begin teaching of this doctrine openly? [It is taught by many, but also convoluted by false tradition amongst many institutions of religion. Those who read scripture and seek truth will find it. When the final gathering occurs it will be offered without confusion to those seeking that have not yet found it. PR]

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  12. Luodi Grover says:

    And who is our Father? It will be Him whom has saved us, even Jesus Christ. Each Father (and mother) lifts us to a new beginning. In this is a mystery

    I see the new beginning with our new parents…

    Is it fair to say that a “new beginning” would be A new and more exalted resurrection, thus giving us opportunity to begin a new phase of our progression?

    PS… Thank for your interpretation and delivery of the material in these 3 sections. I have studied each one meticulously, going through each word and verse as if I have never heard it before. Thank you PR, it is wonderful!!
    I just finished a prayer for you and family. Great things ahead!!!
    -L

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  13. caroljlb says:

    Dear PR, I am thanking you for the ebook of the Book of Mormon with Thoughts. I actually had it printed and I was happy to pay, as it was about $70.00 where I had it printed and divided into two separate books, with both sides of each page on one sheet of paper. I like being able to underline certain things and add my own notes. I am using this book as the reference for Doctrine of Christ, which I also printed from that website. My question is about the other two books you said you were adding to the other ebooks on your site. It seems you talked about them being finished and sold at cost sometime on 2020 and possibly 2021. Are they done and somehow I haven’t seen them or if not, when will they be ready. I would appreciate the information about this, as well as the book you talked about that would be about your wife’s journey. I have only received a few emails from her, that she has published in an email format. Thank you so much for your help. [That is good to know, I didn’t have any idea what it would cost to have printed yourself. I’m not sure it would be any cheaper if it was done through a publisher. There are no other books accept what you see on the blog. My wife’s blog has been slow in coming and I had guessed it would be more, so that book may not come for quite a while. The only other book is not to be compiled until First Zion is established and I don’t know when that is. Any of the other PDFs you are welcome to have printed yourself. I hope that helps. PR]

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  14. SoGrtful says:

    Hey PR. I asked you about a year ago how many pages you had in the archives, up through your latest post. It comes to 250 pgs (minus glossaries which I’ve done separately & alphabetically). I c/p’d all of it so I could print it. I kept all the same paragraphs, & I’d say 85% of the Q&A’s. But then again it is 11 font, slightly wider margins, but all footnote references looked up & typed out in 9 font (everything color coded of course). Regular 12 font to all of it adds about 20 pages. Along with my BoM project, I have all your published works & all of it goes with my bug-out bags 😉 Thanks for all your years of accumulated treasure! Can’t wait to study it again.

    HOWEVER, one important thing me & others on here should pray about is to NOT be ‘ever learning, and never able to come to the Lord,’ — my variation of 2 Tim 3:7 (although “truth” works as well). We must make holy time for ourselves & put it all in practice. Much obliged!

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  15. Charles Wesley Miller says:

    I may be running afoul of propriety, copyright laws, PR’s wishes, and more, but I’m wondering if you have this work available in an easily shareable electronic format and, if so, are you able and willing to share? I have to at least ask, right? My intention is solely to be able to continue pondering this material offline when things go down; I would not be selling, sharing publicly, reposting, passing this off as my own work, etc. [On the Homepage in the Menu Bar is “Books.” Other than the first book, which is available as a softbound or Kindle eBook, everything else is available as a PDF. The blog posts are not in a file format. PR]

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  16. Luodi Grover says:

    24 But they hardened their hearts [chose to turn away and follow unbelief and false tradition] and could not endure his presence [could not be sanctified]; therefore, the Lord in his wrath, for his anger was kindled against them, swore that they should not enter into his rest [receive the gift of the HG] while in the wilderness, which rest is the fulness of his glory. [to become Zion]

    When we read about the “wrath of God” or “anger” of God, it creates a picture in the mind of an unfamiliar, mean and spiteful God, which is far from the truth. These expressions of scripture should be read differently. God’s wrath and anger are more accurately interpreted as the removal of His Spirit, to fall into the hands of the Adversary because of a lack of protection from the divine. The Lord is grieved when His children forsake him, and when His spirit withdraws, the uncertainty of the temporal world can rain down upon us. Only in the case of protecting future generations from a cycle of sin does the Lord clean away a people by destruction. There is always mercy, but justice is how God organizes his creations according to the laws of Heaven.

    Speaking to this part of your comment above…
    “Only in the case of protecting future generations from a cycle of sin does the Lord clean away a people by destruction”

    Do you see a Partial cleansing of the wicked right now, (in America) in order to awaken us and ready us for what is coming? [That will occur before Zion is established, yes. PR]

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  17. FireWalk.7 says:

    Is there a difference between condemnation and apostasy? [For me, apostasy means to break away from church doctrine. With that definition, even Jesus Christ was breaking from the Pharisaical orthodoxy of his time. Condemnation is just what the word means, and can be applied to the church, or by God to us, but are not mutually exclusive. PR]

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  18. Star Scream says:

    Have you met Brigham Young in the spirit? If yes what can you share about your meeting with him? [I have not. I cannot share the reason. PR]

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  19. panasheeg says:

    (PR: The terrestrial Priesthood brings us into a tangible relationship with the Lord, Jesus Christ. This usually begins with a Second Comforter experience and then is made whole when receiving one’s calling and election made sure. This priesthood officiates in spiritual ordinances with eternal consequences.)

    What ordinances are you referring to that those with the terrestrial Priesthood carry out that have eternal consequences? Are you referring to the conferring of the Holy Ghost through the laying on of hands, the C&E and the C&E made sure? [Blessing Ordinances that occur in the Heavenly Realm. This is all I can say about that, but they are not the signs and tokens of the Temple. PR]

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  20. FireWalk.7 says:

    I heard it said that the gospel is only taught correctly if repentance is taught before grace/God’s love. Repentance here meaning the damnation of hell, God’s judgment day, calling out sin, etc. They reasoned that some evangelical churches only teach God’s love, that its easy to accept Him… therefore teaching the wide gate and not the narrow gate(following Christ is difficult) and getting many followers who aren’t truly converted to Christ.

    How should repentance best be taught?

    I ask because my understanding of damnation, hell, judgment day and the nature of God’s love have all changed from reading your blog. The Lord is a much more loving and merciful being than I had thought previously… but and the classical Christian definitions of God damning people to hell forever if they don’t repent in this lifetime seems to be a common call for repentance in the Book of Mormon, but now it appears those kinds of calls to repentance are describing Perdition on the day of judgment, which is a relatively small group compared to the rest of the world. Maybe that’s just how the people at that time could best understand repentance?

    [I believe we begin by teaching them faith in Christ, the true nature of a loving God who gives commandments for the blessing of mankind. The judgment of God is not one of evil vengeance. It is simply the consequences of our choices. To “judge righteously” is to separate those who choose God from those who do not. His mercy is always available and something to be cherished. Once they desire to know Him they start the path to repentance, which is to turn one’s heart to God. This leads to the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. The baptism of water prepares them to receive that blessing. Repentance is not to be perfect, but to give our full heart and desires to Him. Sometimes fear leads to repentance, but it is better when the motivation is love. PR]

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